rbharol
10-30 12:00 PM
Guys,
When NumbersUSA would present their case to the lawmakers,
They would present their logic and arguments with facts they may have.
When ImmigrationVoice present their case they would present their logic,
arguments and facts which they have.
Then it is for lawmakers to decide who is more convincing and
what is best for AMERICA and its people
Do not worry. If we have convincing arguments and facts and
backing from the experts, which we have, we shall be heard.
Cool down guys.
I think this thread should be closed as it has lost its direction.
When NumbersUSA would present their case to the lawmakers,
They would present their logic and arguments with facts they may have.
When ImmigrationVoice present their case they would present their logic,
arguments and facts which they have.
Then it is for lawmakers to decide who is more convincing and
what is best for AMERICA and its people
Do not worry. If we have convincing arguments and facts and
backing from the experts, which we have, we shall be heard.
Cool down guys.
I think this thread should be closed as it has lost its direction.
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crzyBanker
11-17 09:08 PM
Done
unitednations
03-08 03:17 PM
I agree that legislators are very aware of the difference between the H1b issue and the green card issue. Yesterday on CNBC, Larry Kudlow interviewed Sen. Grassley from Iowa on this topic. When Larry was asking about these workers contributing to society, buying homes, starting companies etc, Sen. Grassley told him he was mixing up two separate issues. Basically he only wanted to talk about the H1b issue.
The sad truth is these guys(like Sen. Grassley) are anti immigrant period(they give you all the blabber about I am 3 generations separated from immigrants etc. but that is quite simply them satisfying their conscience/the public conscience on this issue, I always wish the interviewer is an American indeginous Indian), and instead of saying so openly, they combine the issues when convenient and separate them out when not so. I agree with you that it is not because they are not aware. Right now their focus is on stomping out fraud, he mentioned cases of people coming on H1b and running laundromats, or working in different locations to what they are certified(ouch). The new quota that opens up on Apr. 1 will indeed be a watershed. I am expecting really restrictive and nasty legislation in time to greet this. I truly hope for very few applications, so the Hon. Sen. understands that this is a demand driven issue for the most part and fraud where it exists can be addressed but not with blanket legislation which effects can be unintended.
Nonetheless this issue of Country caps has become so draconian that if indeed the US changes its policy and institutes country caps on H1bs as your posting suggests they might in the end, then we will have things go in a certain direction.......protectionist, and there will doubtless be backlash. As it stands the current insensible policy is such that people come on H1b, settle into a job, have their US citizen kids, accumulate enough social security credits, savings etc and then facing an inordinate wait, perhaps even have to leave, what do you think the result is going to be? Well, the return to India where US employers given their US experience/education are more comfortable hiring them hence more outsourcing, then their US citizen Kids return for Gov't aid/loans to college, then they sponsor their parents to come in and receive social security and medicare etc. while their working contributions and taxes would have accrued to another country. Really? Does that sound like good policy?
If the US chooses to Cap Indian H1bs fine, let it be, however continuing such policy only leads to and effectual ban on EB green cards for Indians.
Very well written. I can tell you through my observations of living in this society for 35 years:
1) People leaving because of long wait is a losing argument. Available information doesn't back it up. We have had severe retrogression since 2005 (h-1b quota cases have finished in matter of days)
2)USA is destination of choice. 9 million people file through greencard lottery for 50,000 slots and the main populated countries aren't even eligible to file (ie., India, China, Pakistan, Canada, etc.)
3) Call it what it is: Employment base immigration is least impacted. It is the only class of immigrants who are allowed to work/live in USA while they wait for greencard. Just about every other class has to wait outside until their number is called. This is number one impediment to EB grievances.
4) Stating that one is paying taxes, etc., is also losing argument. You are comparing yourself to the people who are here unlawful. Paying taxes isn't some virtue, it is the law.
5) Country quotas is fundamental to US Immigration. Getting rid of it for one class; ie employment base without looking at the whole thing is waste of time (ie., lottery, family base, etc.).
Now I don't want to get people upset but let's look at some things that have happened since 2005:
There was considerable debate on immigration.com of how the country quotas work and spillover of visas. Depending on how you read the law you would keep coming up with different conclusions. One way was to look at it as hard cap of 7% across all 140,000 visas that is 10,000 or so and it didn't matter about eb1,eb2, eb3. Any unused visas from ROW in EB1 would not go to india but rather flow down to eb2 row and then eb3 row. That s unused would go vertical instead of horizontal.
In uscis fiscal year 2004 eb3 went unavailable in summer of 2005. Statistics showed that India went well over their 7% limit.
In USCIS fiscal year 2005 we had severe retrogression for India. Visa bulletin states that spillover will be vertical instead of horizontal. Statistics showed that India only received 10,500 visas
Now, fiscal year 2006 . We have slow movement in visa dates; it appears that they are going vertical with spillover. However, in July 2007 they make it current for everyone and India goes over the 7% limit.
Fiscal year 2007 it appears from visa bulletin that they are going to go horizontal instead of vertical. No statistics yet of how much went to India.
Therefore; department of state has changed policy, interpretation without law change. Talk to many lawyers and they will tell you that spillover is supposed to happen vertical instead of horizontal. indian nationals have been benefitted greatly by department of state changing it on their whim. You don't see many people from ROW on these boards bellyaching about this; or contacting senators, or threatening lawsuits do you?
This is something to think about? As people keep highlighting this issue and if they continually point it out to lawmakers and someone from ROW gets the birght idea to challenge department of state then it will make it worse for India. I don't foresee any change whatsoever in country quota limits; mainly because it is fundamental to immigration and fundamental things don't change very easily.
The sad truth is these guys(like Sen. Grassley) are anti immigrant period(they give you all the blabber about I am 3 generations separated from immigrants etc. but that is quite simply them satisfying their conscience/the public conscience on this issue, I always wish the interviewer is an American indeginous Indian), and instead of saying so openly, they combine the issues when convenient and separate them out when not so. I agree with you that it is not because they are not aware. Right now their focus is on stomping out fraud, he mentioned cases of people coming on H1b and running laundromats, or working in different locations to what they are certified(ouch). The new quota that opens up on Apr. 1 will indeed be a watershed. I am expecting really restrictive and nasty legislation in time to greet this. I truly hope for very few applications, so the Hon. Sen. understands that this is a demand driven issue for the most part and fraud where it exists can be addressed but not with blanket legislation which effects can be unintended.
Nonetheless this issue of Country caps has become so draconian that if indeed the US changes its policy and institutes country caps on H1bs as your posting suggests they might in the end, then we will have things go in a certain direction.......protectionist, and there will doubtless be backlash. As it stands the current insensible policy is such that people come on H1b, settle into a job, have their US citizen kids, accumulate enough social security credits, savings etc and then facing an inordinate wait, perhaps even have to leave, what do you think the result is going to be? Well, the return to India where US employers given their US experience/education are more comfortable hiring them hence more outsourcing, then their US citizen Kids return for Gov't aid/loans to college, then they sponsor their parents to come in and receive social security and medicare etc. while their working contributions and taxes would have accrued to another country. Really? Does that sound like good policy?
If the US chooses to Cap Indian H1bs fine, let it be, however continuing such policy only leads to and effectual ban on EB green cards for Indians.
Very well written. I can tell you through my observations of living in this society for 35 years:
1) People leaving because of long wait is a losing argument. Available information doesn't back it up. We have had severe retrogression since 2005 (h-1b quota cases have finished in matter of days)
2)USA is destination of choice. 9 million people file through greencard lottery for 50,000 slots and the main populated countries aren't even eligible to file (ie., India, China, Pakistan, Canada, etc.)
3) Call it what it is: Employment base immigration is least impacted. It is the only class of immigrants who are allowed to work/live in USA while they wait for greencard. Just about every other class has to wait outside until their number is called. This is number one impediment to EB grievances.
4) Stating that one is paying taxes, etc., is also losing argument. You are comparing yourself to the people who are here unlawful. Paying taxes isn't some virtue, it is the law.
5) Country quotas is fundamental to US Immigration. Getting rid of it for one class; ie employment base without looking at the whole thing is waste of time (ie., lottery, family base, etc.).
Now I don't want to get people upset but let's look at some things that have happened since 2005:
There was considerable debate on immigration.com of how the country quotas work and spillover of visas. Depending on how you read the law you would keep coming up with different conclusions. One way was to look at it as hard cap of 7% across all 140,000 visas that is 10,000 or so and it didn't matter about eb1,eb2, eb3. Any unused visas from ROW in EB1 would not go to india but rather flow down to eb2 row and then eb3 row. That s unused would go vertical instead of horizontal.
In uscis fiscal year 2004 eb3 went unavailable in summer of 2005. Statistics showed that India went well over their 7% limit.
In USCIS fiscal year 2005 we had severe retrogression for India. Visa bulletin states that spillover will be vertical instead of horizontal. Statistics showed that India only received 10,500 visas
Now, fiscal year 2006 . We have slow movement in visa dates; it appears that they are going vertical with spillover. However, in July 2007 they make it current for everyone and India goes over the 7% limit.
Fiscal year 2007 it appears from visa bulletin that they are going to go horizontal instead of vertical. No statistics yet of how much went to India.
Therefore; department of state has changed policy, interpretation without law change. Talk to many lawyers and they will tell you that spillover is supposed to happen vertical instead of horizontal. indian nationals have been benefitted greatly by department of state changing it on their whim. You don't see many people from ROW on these boards bellyaching about this; or contacting senators, or threatening lawsuits do you?
This is something to think about? As people keep highlighting this issue and if they continually point it out to lawmakers and someone from ROW gets the birght idea to challenge department of state then it will make it worse for India. I don't foresee any change whatsoever in country quota limits; mainly because it is fundamental to immigration and fundamental things don't change very easily.
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desi3933
07-08 03:40 PM
.........and hence Desi - the answer to your question why H1 does not care for F1 and EAD does not care for H1 and so on.......it is not a collective cause - it is just a collection of individual causes - thats all - we would be fooling ourselves if we had some other grandiose visions - calling this group a cause would be the same as calling passengers on a bus one group - they are in the same bus simply because they share a part of their journey - thats it
Very well put. To the spot.
You have put nicely what I mentioned in my previous post
each professional (roadie) is alone and has to look after his own best interests.
To take it further, roadies form groups (team) to complete tasks, here at IV, immigrants form group to achieve their goals, but ultimately, its everyone's personal quest to be part of this great country.
But, may I add here, we should remember our past and if we can't help any future immigrant, the least we can do, is to encourage him/her.
Wishing success to everyone. yes, to everyone who wants to be part of this great country. Just a fine print, everyone who has played by the rules (aka legal immigrants). Undocumented immigrants should wait in line after legal immigrants.
Afterall, this nation is built by, in part, by immigrants.
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Very well put. To the spot.
You have put nicely what I mentioned in my previous post
each professional (roadie) is alone and has to look after his own best interests.
To take it further, roadies form groups (team) to complete tasks, here at IV, immigrants form group to achieve their goals, but ultimately, its everyone's personal quest to be part of this great country.
But, may I add here, we should remember our past and if we can't help any future immigrant, the least we can do, is to encourage him/her.
Wishing success to everyone. yes, to everyone who wants to be part of this great country. Just a fine print, everyone who has played by the rules (aka legal immigrants). Undocumented immigrants should wait in line after legal immigrants.
Afterall, this nation is built by, in part, by immigrants.
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sledge_hammer
02-12 04:07 PM
So you basically want a piece of the discussion no matter you are involved in it or not. The OP asked for advice/opinion, and I had the right to respond because it is �asked�. Whereas you chose not to give your opinion, but just decided you wanted a beef with me, which proves that you have too much time on your hands for things that is not asked of you.
After page 2, I went after only those who attacked me for being who I am, that is trying to be morally right. And today I went after gvenkat who wanted me to "grow brains", and also asked me if I think the OP should go back home, to which I provided my answer.
So unless you were totally jobless, you had no business commenting. You only want to be a part of this discussion because somewhere inside you there is a conscience that is very guilty for not being what a person really should be. And what better way to kill that feeling than to shoot down anyone else that wants to hold people responsible morally.
I understand where you're coming from. And the fact that you are still coming after me proves to me even more how your conscience is eating you from the inside.
You have reading comprehension issues as well...if you get over yourself then you can comprehend things (let me be clear, I am referring here to my own posts and none of the other ones). You made your point on page 2 about the moral/ethical/legal perils of what the OP has done/proposing to do. You were fine with me. Continuously pointing out at other people as to how morally bankrupt they are (including your latest post) or how bad there comm skills are (written or otherwise) will certainly expose you to shots from others (like me). When you continuously point out others' morals then the presumption here is that you are squeaky clean. I pointed out, you are not. That is all. It does not mean, OPs post is morally/ethically/legally on the right side or I hold that opinion (actually I do not).
After page 2, I went after only those who attacked me for being who I am, that is trying to be morally right. And today I went after gvenkat who wanted me to "grow brains", and also asked me if I think the OP should go back home, to which I provided my answer.
So unless you were totally jobless, you had no business commenting. You only want to be a part of this discussion because somewhere inside you there is a conscience that is very guilty for not being what a person really should be. And what better way to kill that feeling than to shoot down anyone else that wants to hold people responsible morally.
I understand where you're coming from. And the fact that you are still coming after me proves to me even more how your conscience is eating you from the inside.
You have reading comprehension issues as well...if you get over yourself then you can comprehend things (let me be clear, I am referring here to my own posts and none of the other ones). You made your point on page 2 about the moral/ethical/legal perils of what the OP has done/proposing to do. You were fine with me. Continuously pointing out at other people as to how morally bankrupt they are (including your latest post) or how bad there comm skills are (written or otherwise) will certainly expose you to shots from others (like me). When you continuously point out others' morals then the presumption here is that you are squeaky clean. I pointed out, you are not. That is all. It does not mean, OPs post is morally/ethically/legally on the right side or I hold that opinion (actually I do not).
rajuseattle
08-15 03:46 PM
My I-140 applied on july 13 2007 at NSC Transferred to TSC on 07/23/2007.
I-485/EAD/AP applied for me and my wife on 08/07/2007 at NSC per USCIS current filing instructions based on area where we live.
LUD 08/12/2007 on I-140.
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EB-3 (India) June 2003
LC (RIR) AD - 05/11/2007
I-140 (NSC) - 07/13/2007 --Transferred to TSC 07/23/2007
I-485/EAD/AP - 08/07/2007 - No receipt
I-485/EAD/AP applied for me and my wife on 08/07/2007 at NSC per USCIS current filing instructions based on area where we live.
LUD 08/12/2007 on I-140.
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EB-3 (India) June 2003
LC (RIR) AD - 05/11/2007
I-140 (NSC) - 07/13/2007 --Transferred to TSC 07/23/2007
I-485/EAD/AP - 08/07/2007 - No receipt
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Macaca
07-10 10:13 AM
Thanks for posting this link. This is a must read on AOS.
8 CFR PART 245 -- ADJUSTMENT OF STATUS TO THAT OF PERSON ADMITTED FOR PERMANENT RESIDENCE (http://www.uscis.gov/propub/ProPubVAP.jsp?dockey=cf90b70814c3464912a08093ce96e 83c)
This link is for section 245 in TITLE 8 OF CODE OF FEDERAL REGULATIONS (8 CFR) (I think!) . This CFR may have other sections of use for us. For example, there may be section 240 that explains some other GC stage.
Please post a link that is table of contents of CFR. That is, it gives all section titles in CFR: Sec 1, Sec 2, .. Sec 245, Sec 246, ... Thanks!
8 CFR PART 245 -- ADJUSTMENT OF STATUS TO THAT OF PERSON ADMITTED FOR PERMANENT RESIDENCE (http://www.uscis.gov/propub/ProPubVAP.jsp?dockey=cf90b70814c3464912a08093ce96e 83c)
This link is for section 245 in TITLE 8 OF CODE OF FEDERAL REGULATIONS (8 CFR) (I think!) . This CFR may have other sections of use for us. For example, there may be section 240 that explains some other GC stage.
Please post a link that is table of contents of CFR. That is, it gives all section titles in CFR: Sec 1, Sec 2, .. Sec 245, Sec 246, ... Thanks!
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saratswain
05-05 11:11 PM
Please tell me, why are you so frustrated ? Because you are not able to live as comfortable life as you desire ? Most of you are highly educated, if you go back to India you will be among the top 2-3% of population. But you do not want to, you have personal reasons, you have many other things not to go back.
How justified some of us are when we say, we paused our life because of we do not have green card ? If we do have this mentality, then we need to grow up. And yes, we need to look back to India where more than 40% people live below poverty line.
If you believe in God, then thank him that he even gave you an opportunity to make yourself better financially. If you do not believe in God then thank your luck. But be thankful.
-Thank you.
Hope everyone gets what is best for him/her.
(I am in H1B for last 7 yrs and have applied GC- waiting)
How justified some of us are when we say, we paused our life because of we do not have green card ? If we do have this mentality, then we need to grow up. And yes, we need to look back to India where more than 40% people live below poverty line.
If you believe in God, then thank him that he even gave you an opportunity to make yourself better financially. If you do not believe in God then thank your luck. But be thankful.
-Thank you.
Hope everyone gets what is best for him/her.
(I am in H1B for last 7 yrs and have applied GC- waiting)
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JunRN
10-08 06:29 PM
I don't believe it must be FIFO...just as what I told in the other forum.
It must be:
FIFT - First In, First Touch
and then;
FCFO - First Complete, First out
(Complete: approvable and PD current)
It must be:
FIFT - First In, First Touch
and then;
FCFO - First Complete, First out
(Complete: approvable and PD current)
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andycool
08-27 12:52 PM
Another case I can remember is andycool on this forum
buddy you remember me ;) :)
yes we had a slud on our 1 st EAD's and our 485's on Aug 21 ..
Got CPO on 24 ..
thanks
buddy you remember me ;) :)
yes we had a slud on our 1 st EAD's and our 485's on Aug 21 ..
Got CPO on 24 ..
thanks
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hiralal
05-08 05:36 PM
I guess country quota was an idea to make sure that nationals from one country don't become a voting bloc ..plain and simple ..and hence illegal immigration became such a hot topic since it seemed that mexicans would become a huge voting bloc ...
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boreal
12-10 02:58 PM
pls email the url of the site you mentioned above
There are two posts from 'Ticked Off' at this link:
http://www.steinreport.com/archives/009849.html
There are two posts from 'Ticked Off' at this link:
http://www.steinreport.com/archives/009849.html
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tonyHK12
02-24 02:22 PM
I have received the news letter and it is pretty neat. But you know, many people are busy. So my suggestion was to send out another simple version with only the Advocacy day link with a request for contribution.
Will check with StarSun. maybe a weekly mail with our funding status
Will check with StarSun. maybe a weekly mail with our funding status
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mani_r1
09-01 01:53 PM
We too got the magic emails saying our 485 has been approved. It was indeed a long journey that started back in 2000. Happy that it all ended well. My priority date is Dec 2005. I did create a service request early August which helped a lot. All the best to the rest of the guys who are waiting for the approval emails.
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Rohan99
10-12 10:26 PM
THANKS! I will wait for my turn and hope that my application is right next to you.
GKBest, it takes minimum two days to appear on computer records for the customer care to tell you. My application was entered in system on 10th october but rep could only see it on 12th oct.
GKBest, it takes minimum two days to appear on computer records for the customer care to tell you. My application was entered in system on 10th october but rep could only see it on 12th oct.
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senthil1
03-10 02:54 PM
Any lobbying for immigration is tough at the time of recession. I think you are trying to do advocacy effort. Without getting approval from core IV group it will not be any use as advocacy effort only will not work. Senators will note your concerns and will act only if some bill is introduced. You need lobbying with advocacy effort for changing any law. Lobbyists will lobby only at right time as if they do in wrong time it will backfire.
This is what puzzles me, on one hand you tell us 'You couldn't even begin to imagine how many cases like this there are'....
Which is exactly I have been saying, unless we do something EB3 India could be waiting for a decade or 2...
But on the other hand if I want to address this issue in a manner which could see least resistance, you tells me I'm living in 'Utopia', administrator threatens to 'Ban' me ????
On other hand
This is what puzzles me, on one hand you tell us 'You couldn't even begin to imagine how many cases like this there are'....
Which is exactly I have been saying, unless we do something EB3 India could be waiting for a decade or 2...
But on the other hand if I want to address this issue in a manner which could see least resistance, you tells me I'm living in 'Utopia', administrator threatens to 'Ban' me ????
On other hand
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petepatel
08-13 11:19 AM
Congrats Petepatel !!
This gives me a reason to be optimistic about my EAD, i filed on july 1st too.
Hope you get it soon. :o
This gives me a reason to be optimistic about my EAD, i filed on july 1st too.
Hope you get it soon. :o
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GCNaseeb
09-12 09:24 AM
Please create link to main page So that everyone can access easily.
Its been noticed that the updates are not seen from the main page right from it was created. Better yet to create a new thread under members only thread and try merging these.
Its been noticed that the updates are not seen from the main page right from it was created. Better yet to create a new thread under members only thread and try merging these.
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rameshvaid
04-21 06:55 PM
Guys,
I knew Mehul and his family. They migrated to Sweden late January and Mehul passed away peacefully in his sleep on March 2, 2008
Admins, please close/archive this thread. It's painful
May GOD rest his SOUL in peace and gives courage to his family to bear his loss.
RV
I knew Mehul and his family. They migrated to Sweden late January and Mehul passed away peacefully in his sleep on March 2, 2008
Admins, please close/archive this thread. It's painful
May GOD rest his SOUL in peace and gives courage to his family to bear his loss.
RV
Aah_GC
05-19 09:42 PM
Same boat guys. July 07 filer and have not received my FP yet. My lawyer thinks it should not be a problem at all, and I read of a case here who got his GC without ever fingerprinting.
Am about to renew my EAD and AP in a couple of week's time and that is the only hope left. I sincerely hope not receiving FP is not a major drawback.
God bless.
Am about to renew my EAD and AP in a couple of week's time and that is the only hope left. I sincerely hope not receiving FP is not a major drawback.
God bless.
crystal
07-10 10:34 AM
I am not able to see can you paste the content ?
Article on Pioneer Press in Minneapolis, MN
http://www.twincities.com/ci_6336222?IADID=Search-www.twincities.com-www.twincities.com&nclick_check=1
I am able to see here
http://www.twincities.com/business/ci_6336222
Article on Pioneer Press in Minneapolis, MN
http://www.twincities.com/ci_6336222?IADID=Search-www.twincities.com-www.twincities.com&nclick_check=1
I am able to see here
http://www.twincities.com/business/ci_6336222
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